Hornady Precision Hunter 143-grain ELDX at 2,960 fps. Don't want it too heavy. Great work here. But what are the flattest shooting rifle cartridges? Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. Think 30-30 necked down to a .25 cal. Now, you might think this cartridge is new and unproven. But there is a big contender missing I think. But, as an extreme range competition shooter recently told me, the number of cold barrel, first round hits he sees at 1,000 yards in competition is well below 50%. But to do this, it must launch a heavy bullet and that means recoil can be stiff; from an 8-pound rifle, it generates more than 33 foot-pounds of recoil, which is more than twice that of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Noslers first proprietary cartridge is basically a steroid-monster 6.5 Creedmoor. Precision, varmint, big-game, and dirt cheap NATO surplus ammo for plenty of cheap shooting. It gives you an MPBR of 336 yards. MY 45 cal ball travels at 1633fps with a standard charge, and 74-5gr for a full charge (2040fps). numbers are accurate. The issue with the Nosler cartridges is barrel life. Please, keep up the great work! Does it matter if there are -30 of drop or -40 of drop if the answer is simply to spin the turret a few extra clicks? These lists are awesome to go over. Just curious have you ever looked at the 284 Winchester for flat shooting. Whether or not thats true, my own success rate at 1,000 yards informs me to always stalk closer if I can and to forego shots at any distance unless Im supremely confident I can make them. ), Hornadys Precision Hunter 178-grain ELD-X at 2,600 fps is probably the best long-range option, but look also at the new 168-grain Berger Hybrid Hunter load from Federal, RELATED: 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .308 Winchester. Love it Jim ! Again great job !!!!! Mag. 26 Nosler. For serious shooters, thats a non-starter. All in all, here are six bonus cartridge, all highly capable of reaching way out there. It takes a lot of practice to learn the aim point to bring the rifle on target. If going after larger game is the preference and the hunter is looking for real stopping power within 300-yards, then the .308 would be the go-to caliber. Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range, 150-grain AccuBond Long Range at 2,930 fps. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. Federal Premium, 130-grain Terminal Ascent, .308 Winchester will win no ballistic awards. Every rifle is different. Obviously Weatherby and Nosler, but are there other manufacturers, vendors, builders to consider? Only a handful of .277-caliber cartridges are made today, but the .270 Winchester is still by far the most popular, given all the guns and loads out there for it. It is about the easiest caliber to hit with at that range you can imagine. I\d be curious to know what the minimum cost is for just the rifle or a quality budget build. Run those numbers on JBM. That does not appeal to my simplified physics understanding of the subject. You can compare these numbers with your favorite cartridge using Backfires own table of flat shooting cartridges and you will see that the numbers indicated are in the absolute upper tiers. Flattest-Shooting Cartridges Ever Backfire 641K subscribers Subscribe 4.2K 173K views 1 year ago The flattest shooting rifle cartridges are listed in this video to help shooters determine. I love your work and what you share with us. The flattest-shooting popular rifle cartridge at 1,000 yards is the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum, followed by the .26 Nosler, the .28 Nosler, the .22 Creedmoor, and the 6.5 Weatherby RPM. Not sure if the OP is considering them or not. The amount of drop is directly influenced by velocity, energy, rifle barrel, and bullet design. Richard Mann bullet. and .30 caliber bore . 1. . The 147-grain ELD-M bullet has a sectional density of .301 and a G1 Ballistic Coefficient of .697, which is arguably the highest ballistic coefficient of any 6.5 Creedmoor bullet. The rifle has five caliber offerings . Just wondering where the 300 win mag ends up? With a recent elevated popularity, due in no small part to the rise of the six-fives, the Grendel is now getting the attention it deserves. (For anyone who gets worked up about the fact that the .30/06 isnt on this list, feel free to swap it with this one, as long as you dont mind the extra kick. I see there are some others like 300Win mag as well and thats a very popular cartage so it should be there as well I would think. But can it defend that title at 1,000 yards? Wondering if anyone can find anything flatter within that range, suitable to kill a whitetail deer with? lotsa guys on the internet claim 500 yards is no problem . That said, average shots on mule deer are often longer than what most hunters typically encounter on eastern whitetail hunts. The Government .45-70 can give you the perfect hunting experience as it is one of the top calibers used by hunters. Often theyre inflated. While that incredibly fast 6.5-300 Wby. The vast offerings of ammo and rifles on the market today is why the 338 Winchester Magnum is probably one of the best elk cartridges a hunter can carry. When the .264 Winchester Magnum was introduced about 60 years ago, it became a sensation with shooters looking to extend their reach in the field. Since I have shot my .270 Winchester primarily with the Hornady 150gr spire point and I know at 500 yards it drops close to 50 inches. Indeed, the .223 WSSM vies with the .220 Swift for the title of the centerfire rifle cartridge with the fastest bullet velocity. With the 30-06, we can only overcome 12 yards of ranging error at the same range before we miss the 6 of vitals. Modern high-ballistic-coefficient bullets is where the .375 H&H really steps out of its traditional box. The final two cartridges above are mislabeled. It will be built on a stiller predator action, carbon wrap or #4 fluted stainless at 26 inches. 6.5-300 WBY (-204) But again, that just my opinion. Answer (1 of 5): Trajectory flatness is a function of muzzle velocity. Therefore my velocity is up to around 3175fps, BC .434 G1 and the 500 yard drop is 23 with a 300 yard zero sight in. Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range with a 129-grain AccuBond Long Range bullet at 3,400 fps. I know it is very uncommonly talked about. Misjudging a 5mph crosswind as 8mph will make a 5.3 difference at 500yd with my favorite varmint load (BC0.400/MV3,400). Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. It is an ideal choice for deer-sized game in open country, and a fine choice for mountain game. I stopped there because few hunters are going to tolerate the recoil or rifle weight needed to operate a flat shooter above 338-caliber. The 27 Nosler bests the .270 Winchester by about 400 fps with 150-grain bullets. Cheers. Taylor's formula calculates a less-inspiring TKO number of 37. Loaded with a 130-grain bullet, it will carry more than 1000 foot-pounds of energy out past 600 yards. Thanks Jim! JOHN BUOL Preferred Caliber For 500 To 1,000 Yards And Beyond: 5.56mm NATO. Only B.C. The wise longer range shooter errs on the side of a higher B.C. Now if you pulled all of your data from Nosler and they shot their bullets out of the same length of barrel then I would trust the ballistics youre speaking of. Its trajectory is awesome. For bigger game, I could easily hunt with either the 240 or 6.5-300 Weatherbys. This is with a 58gr charge of Hodgen 4831 powder. So, if you want to go long, there are some clear choices here. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) It's wide-open so anyone from beginners to pros, 25 caliber pocket guns through to race guns. No howitzers or tanks.). JavaScript is disabled. . Despite its relatively low B.C. Hello Jim, Trust but verify. Well, theres really only one option in .22-caliber and thats the .224 Valkyrie. . The multiple loads for each cartridge are not at all pulled at random. Check out more F&S long-range shooting coverage, including advice for getting started in long-range shooting competitions, the reason why rifle groups keep shrinking, how Heavey did at Gunsite Academy, and what makes long-distance shooting so difficult. 1 Normal load using the most popular factory ammo, one heavy load for each, one light load. I had to calculate this one out, as Weatherbys ballistics charts dont go past 500 yards. Its muzzle velocity is 1880 fps, and muzzle energy is 2355 ft. lbs. To be fair to the 30-378, itmurders everything else for flatness way out there, staying feet above most other cartridges and carrying enough energy to take a deer at just over 1000 yards. But as with the 6.5 PRC, there are not a lot of factory-ammo options to choose from. For example, the .50BMG and the 6.5 Creedmoor both launch bullets at approximately the same muzzle velocity of 2,700fps. What a great tool that you have built. (This is essentially what Hornady did to the .260 Remington to make the 6.5 Creedmoor.) Of course, the .270 Win was developed in 1925 when 1000 yard shots were effectively unheard of. More hunters should get to know this fantastic round. Recoil is stiff and some find it hard to master. It takes 200 rounds to fully break in a barrel, so theyd finish it off in just 2-3 competitions (where you fire 200 rounds in a weekend). View Quote. This cartridge existed in a cloak of obscurity for a long time; only recently have hunters began to see the potential it offers. Mag. 17. Also, same bullet, but a .257 Wby Mag will also work if you hit the same velocities. My grandkids have a poem for this photo: Cartridge cartridge on the table, choose the flattest if youre able. It has flipped positions with the 6.5, losing by a mere 1.4-inches. However, I have a question to ask you. It combined flat-shooting ballistics with hard-hitting bullets in a package with lighter recoil than the .300 Weatherby Magnum, which debuted in 1944. Was sad to not see the .300 H&H Magnum, though I doubt it would measure much different than the .300 Win Mag. Shot from SAAMI-mandated 1-8 twist barrels, the 6.5s long, slender bullets seem to almost defy wind and gravity and allow this cartridge to deliver clean kills at distance. Please look into it. 1.5" high at 100, would be dead-on at 250, and only drop 30" at 550. Just hoping my bad experiences might inspire you to avoid some of your own. flat-shooting, and light recoiling cartridge was extremely effective on deer-sized game. I still shoot a .270 caliber cartridge and the same 150gr bullet, but with a 3gr powder charge boost. Case capacity is literally and figuratively the driving force here: Both Nosler offerings are based on the 300 Remington Ultra Magnum and both boast case capacities of 93.5 grains of water. At 500 yards, the 27 Nosler drops almost a foot less than Jack OConnors sacred cartridge. If you are looking for the flattest shooting caliber to 500 yards, you should read anything else. What Ive done with this deep dive review is use the highest Handloading Manual velocities Ive discovered, trusting that you, gentle reader, will understand that your mileage may vary. But it's still a better distance choice than the .270 Winchester past 400 yards (a great caliber as well). Want to run your own ballistics numbers? Pronghorn hunters have driven the search for flatter shooting cartridges for a long time. With the ability to handle more aerodynamic bullets than the .270 Winchester or the .270 WSM, the 6.8 Western and its 1-in-8 twist rate allows this cartridge to outperform both at distance. With todays ammunition, its even better. Considered by many to be the optimum long-range, large-game cartridge, the .300 Winchester Magnum has proven itself worldwide. With the exception of the 7mm Remington Magnum, cartridges of this diameter have never been as popular in America as they should bemaybe because this was the caliber of the Imperial German Army and the Nazis. However, the .220 Swift and the .22-250 have been used to take deer out to distances a lot of folks got no business shooting, for a long, long time. 243 and 25-06 had to be left out because it didnt have enough at 600 for even deer. Thursday nights they do IDPA. Fast and flat shooting b#%ds. I would think this data is slightly skewed unless the bullets are shot out of the same length of barrels and the same practices of reloading. Great info but my 7mm rem mag with Nosler 120 grain BT (.417bc) @ 3600fps has anything on this chart beat pretty soundly. Great job. By way of comparison, the .270 Winchester (based on the .30-06 Springfield) offers a case capacity of 67 grains. All three cartridges also offer ample case capacity, allowing enough powder to send bullets at drag-defying velocities. With its rebated rim and 1/2-inch diameter at the base, it is essentially a longer version of the 6.5284 Norma; ballistically equivalent to the .264 Winchester Magnum. Thanks Jim. 260 Rem At A Glance: Our Top 5 Picks For Long Range Calibers in 2022 Best for Beginners: 5.56mm/.223 Remington Minimal Recoil: 224 Valkyrie Best for Long Range: 243 Winchester Best for Seasoned Shooters: 6mm Creedmoor Best Value: 6.5mm Grendel What do you guys think . Below is the information Ive gleaned from 17-caliber through 338. inherent in 6.5mm (.264) caliber bullets. Sign up for Field & Streams newsletter to receive the latest and greatest gear reviews and expert hunting and fishing advice. Its just physics. It would help one decide on if a cartilage was up to a specific task and if one would be willing to take the kick. I took the shot prone and then stood up after the wildebeest tipped over after a perfect shot. Recoil statistics are offered for reference. They have 1 particular cartridge thats something of a hot-shot for flat shooting, long distance devastation; the Weatherby .30-378. With their Vanguard line you can do it for less than $900. It's not until you get farther out that BC starts making a big difference. Mag. I ran the numbers with the 180 grain Ballistic tip at 3420 fps. I've heard that too! Twenty years ago, Winchester introduced the .270 WSM (Winchester Short Magnum). Is flatest of all youve listed. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You cant pull data from different sources with different lengths of barrels and different loading methods and expect to get true results. Its drop at 1,000 yards is 330.30 and at 500 yards its drop is 50.00. Not to mention the different variations in grains in each individual caliber,Ogive and BC. I just want to quickly thank you for the great videos and for producing this table of bullet drop data. Links or names greatly appreciated, Thanks! I normally go for high BC and heavy for cal but one place I do run light is I'll shoot a Barnes 110 TTSX 3600 fps in my 270 WSM, for light game and coyotes it's very effective! These rifles can hardly be considered to be flat shooting. 223 Wylde chambered, 20" barreled rifle. If the hunter is looking for a flat shooting caliber with good energy and speed of distances around 400-yards, then the .270 would be the obvious choice. again. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway. The advent of precision rifle competitions and the laser rangefinder has increased the publics desire to go long. The newest addition to the Nosler line of proprietary cartridges is the 27 Nosler. Just dont try to enumerate its downsides to anyone who knows anything, because there arent any that matter. Required fields are marked *. The flattest-shooting popular rifle cartridge at 1,000 yards is the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum, followed by the .26 Nosler, the .28 Nosler, the .22 Creedmoor, and the 6.5 Weatherby RPM. Drops just 11.6 inches. 30-378 weatherby (214). Mag. Shane Olson, nope, no sarcasm involved, simply pointing out a straight fact, which I stand by. Yet it has proven again and again that it will deliver at distance. always means more wind deflection. In any caliber the cartridge that attains the highest muzzle velocity wins the flat shooter award, so theres no sense arguing that the 6.5 Grendel might shoot as flat as the 27 Nosler. Enjoying many of your video\s whilst stuck in lockdown. Want to run your own ballistics numbers? Lots of hunters consider the .270 Winchester one of the best all-purpose, short- and long-range cartridges of all time. Thanks, 26 Nosler 127 gr LRX 3602 Ft./Sec. The .204 will work quiet well at 500 yards with good shot placement. Based on the old .404 Jeffery case, its the same length as the .30/06, which means it works in standard-length actions. A benefit of that, you can fing .308 ammo off-the-shelf for any practical application. Most often you just have to buy a Weatherby rifle to get one, and while that used to be an expensive proposition, its not anymore. How about our drops on the cartridges that made it? Most common calibers are just fine for regular range shots under 300 yards. Thanks again. I hope this report clears up some trajectory confusion and perhaps settles some old arguments. And that light recoil not only makes you a better shot in the field; it also makes practicing more fun and productive. The reason why 6.5mm cartridges are exploding in popularity is because they are ultra-efficient. Thats equal magnitude to 200fps less flatness! . After Weatherbys 6.5-300 Magnum did not win as many hearts and minds as theyd hoped, Weatherby rethought the 6.5mm cartridge and developed the 6.5 RPM (Rebated Precision Magnum). projectile that you might crown that one King, especially since that 100-grain sounds a bit more reasonable for deer-sized game. What Is The Best Hunting Cartridge To 500 yds. Underwood Ammos 110-grain Lehigh Controlled Chaos bullet at 2800 fps is another great option. Here we go! Take a look at the MPBR column and note how close they all are. Still, a flat-shooting cartridge will often perform well with wind as well, because it is in the air for less time between the shot and hitting the target. Yes, the article most definitely included the 7mm Mag, but the specific cartridge mentioned by Nick is what the original article would have included as an exotic version, NOT something found chambered in most any rifle. How can I get all the data in a spread sheet form like you showed in your video? Im going to bookmark your website and keep checking for new details about once a week. It was also a resounding success and has remained popular with hunters looking to stretch their effective range. The way in which cartridge manufacturers develop rounds to overcome these forces is the twist rates of the barrels in the rifles the cartridges are chambered in, developing longer, more aerodynamic bullets with narrower ogives and case capacity.
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