Hullo! Govan feels vibrant again. Long range video and still cameras were set up at both locations so that the daily activities of the dealers could be filmed and monitored. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. Great times. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. Comedian. I noticed a post by Murray G. Wondering if we might be related at all? We lived in Southcroft St., when we got married. Memories of our workers are Nancy, Margret-Anne and various others, oh and not forgetting Speedy. In 1901 Govan was the 7th largest town in Scotland. My Gran Haggerty lived in 3 Helen Street Govan (above the CO OP). Like Pauline I also went to St. Margaret's and I also recall Susan's Shop. Almost went to St Anthony's primary. In Canada, I joined the Royal Canadian Air Force, and served 37 years before retiring. approached in flavour to wine. However, the documents do not ask why so many people with poor health or low educational qualifications happen to be in the same areas in the first place! : Gwovan[3]? Pauline Belkadi: Thanks for the name of the shop 'Bobby's'. Driscoll, Stephen, "Govan, an early medieval royal centre", p. 79. That suggested that the suspect was taking the van south to Manchester or Liverpool to pick up much larger drug consignments. It was a them and us attitude that persisted right up until the Wine Alley was demolished in the late 1990s. Amenities, Comfort & Cleanliness 4/4. No1seems2care. Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. In 1996, a team from Channel 4's Time Team programme carried out an archeological excavation at the site. Non-governmental organisations working in the field such as the Church, charitable organisations, etc., have for a long time advocated Community Planning or management of the urban environment as the best solution to this problem of how to give a better quality of life to many of the citizens of our country. I went to Harmony Row school and below is my class photograph from around 1957, I have given the names as far as I remember starting at the back row left. The Version table provides details related to the release that this issue/RFE will be addressed. Within it and its roughly circular churchyard is one of the finest collections of Early Christian stones in the United Kingdom, known as the Govan Stones, dating from the c.9th to 11th centuries. The locals in Govan fear that gentrification is making its way in, in the face of community objections.15 Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. Nu acum. You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. The man caught in the earlier operation with 50,000 of drugs in Helen Street was given six years. When in trouble the Govanites all come together. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. British Shipbuilders road to privatisation was not as swift, and the group was sold piece by piece throughout the course of the 1980s. Before leaving the area in 1975, Damer sent in his report on Moorepark to the Housing Manager of the Corporation of Glasgow where he attacked the Corporation for failing to do its job in managing and maintaining both the houses and the environment in Moorepark. Resources were stretched as detectives dealt with high levels of violence including murder - much of it drug related. I think he lived in Partick and had 2 little girls. One thing is clear about Woodinville's Woodin Creek, it is very dog friendly! Lived there all the way through the 70's until we moved to Cardonald in 1980. Editors' Code of Practice. I went to Harmony Row school then Hills Trust school, then to Govan High school. Great memories. I had never seen one before. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. I was born and brought up in Drumoyne. My brother and I would wait for the coal lorry to come round the corner and hang onto the back of it as it drove up the street. Bishop Leslie in his Scotia Descriptio of 1578 says it got its name from the excellence of its ale (God-win), whereas Chalmers in his Caledonia says it is derived from Scottish Gaelic, Gamhan (a ditch). Linthouse and Parkgrove were 19th century senior sides, who fell into decline and are now defunct. I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. My father was a chemist who worked for the SCWS. Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. My mother was Frances Leddy and she was born at 57 Hamilton Street in 1926. Wall furniture and coverings, clothing, beds and bedding, carpets and furniture were badly affected by fungi while many of the inhabitants suffered physical illnesses related to the damp atmosphere, financial anguish at the cost of replacement and (in some cases), mental problems brought on by the worry caused by the above problems in the first place! Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill J. N. REILLY There is a war on. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Recent studies of the archaeology of Govan Old have revealed the presence of an ancient Christian church. Resolved: Release in which this issue/RFE has been resolved. It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. My grandparents on my mother's side were McElhinneys and attended Plantation Church while my dad's side and myself attending our Lady and St Margaret's Chapel. Other Sundays maybe Helen and I would visit the graves of our mothers at Cardonald Cemetery (her mother died when she was 5). The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). Following the five convictions, the man who led the investigation, detective superintendent Joe Jackson, received several letters from grateful Wine Alley residents. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. He stayed in Nethen Street and was born in 1931. Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! Govan young team. Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. Teddy boys jumped on little bike and broke it. [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. If there is anyone out there that remembers me please contact me :). He said: "I found myself in charge of one of the hardest areas within Strathclyde, if not Scotland. Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. I remember Betty McPhee, Margaret Liversidge, the Gourlay brothers and Brian Wilson.We lived in the top floor for a few years and the moved to bigger flat on first floor with a bathroom. I always thought it was a listed building. This was around 1954ish. They also told police that the same man would rent out a larger car about once a month. The writer on housing problems, T. A. Markus, wondered why many important questions were never asked in the planning process. It was a real shame to junk those old tenements instead of refurbishing them. 8/1. I went to Hills Trust primary and can remember having to sit my 11 plus exam and passed by the skin of my teeth (lots of mental arithmetic). I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. Just looking for anybody who new the Paterson, dad george known as Geordie and mum Betty, sisters Elaine, Brenda and brother George. I am Mary Haggarty and it was 95 Golspie street, cannot believe someone remembers, my mum will probably remember your family will ask her tonight. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. Also, among the plans for Govans hub was a programme to make Govans main shopping area more attractive such as joining Govans Market, Shopping Centre, Underground and bus depot together under the one roof. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. When the car stopped at lights in Helen Street it was surrounded by the surveillance team who arrested the driver and seized the heroin which had a street value of 50,000 - worth 125,000 today. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . Media/news company. I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. A friend called called Alison Galbraith. Creeaz un cont nou. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. It was fantastic staying there, 3 family's stayed in each cottage. Many of the latter were too poor, ignorant and disorganised to remedy the situation themselves, and so the earliest community planners or social agencies necessarily undertook the first initiatives for planning and providing for people. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Loving your stories, my nana was born at 15 Elder Street, Govan in 1893. I have memories of buying penny and thrupny canes there to make a bow 'n arrows. on our backs to the midden motor outside the closes or houses where we worked. He also allowed naval officers in training to visit the shipyard to familiarise themselves with the new vessels. Interest. who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. Tel: 0141 440 1999, Fax: 0141 440 1367 , Email: enquiries@gblink.org.uk , www.gblink.org.uk "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. I went to St. Margaret's and I remember Susan's shop where she would stand outside to see where people where buying their messages from. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council "modernised" it and tried to reintroduce the original n. The plan was to video and record any deals as they happened - a tricky and dangerous proposition. I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. At the end of his stay in the housing scheme Damer wrote a report on the area entitled From Moorepark to Wine Alley in what was a damning indictment of officialdom for its arrogant neglect of Moorepark and the people who lived there. We then moved to a cottage at 112 Golspie Street down the lane, I always remember walking home down the lane, at the bottom of the lane we had a very large wooden gate, which we had to open to get in. or. The area was originally a country estate which contained a mansion house, Moore Park, which was built in the early 19th century for the Hagart family, to plans prepared by the architect David Hamilton. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. By the 1860s, the village needed a higher order of administration and it was made a burgh in 1864, under the General Police (Scotland) Act 1862. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. Show More . James and Catherine moved to Govan from Ireland and lived on Victoria (Neptune) Street and Langlands Road. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. My sister and I were born the year before the second world war at Montrose nursing home in Govan. Community planning began in the rapidly industrialising 19th century cities of Great Britain and America where reformers and well-wishers wanted to ameliorate the appalling living conditions of the working classes. They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. If his western city is invariably "smoky" and even hellish in aspect, throughout his poem "Edinburgh" the Scottish capital is glimpsed "high in . My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. who traditionally incorporate the red and black civic colours in the socks of their kit;[43] their Ibrox Stadium has a stand named for Govan (the closest to the heart of the burgh), although officially this was re-named after their former player Sandy Jardine in 2014.[44]. Especially in the Scottish context, given the important role that they have played in community planning. Three times during my young life I was sent away to residential schools for being undernourished while just before my 14th birthday I was put away in an approved school (in 1963) for a large number of burglaries. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. For those who did move in, it was not a matter of them wanting to live in the area, it was more a case of people with little or no choice about where they could stay. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council \"modernised\" it and tried to reintroduce the original name Moorepark but after 40 years of being the Wine Alley most people forgot about or even knew that the Wine Ally was originally called Moorepark and did not approve of the name Moorepark and continued to call it Wine Alley. The School that was situated at the end of Cowie Street was the "Wee Lamby" or Lambhill Junior Primary. 114m Nailsby Taylor . While debating the (Greenwood) Housing Bill of 1930, the MP John Wheatley insisted that Britain would never get rid of its slum problem as long as it continued to set aside for a particular section of the community an inferior quality of housing The above extract comes from the enquiry that the sociologist Sean Damer wrote on the history of what was regarded as the most notorious slum-housing scheme in the Glasgow of the 1970s, Moorepark, or as it came to be known by Govanites and Glaswegians the Wine Alley of Govan. Glasgow Braendam Link, aims to support, empower and enable all those involved in the partnership to gain more control of their lives by encouraging self-belief, growth and development. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? USA. Fond memories include falling in the Elder Park pond and breaking my collar bone, trying to do the fish and chips, building gang huts in the air-raid shelters and raking the middens. Moore Park (Glasgow University Library, Special Collections, Dougan Collection, 1870), OS 25 inch Scotland, 1892-1905 (Moore Park), "Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate", Gender and Political Identities in Scotland, 1919-1939, Ian Jack: Problem Families (review of 'From Moorepark to Wine Alley: The Rise and Fall of a Glasgow Housing Scheme' by Sean Damer), Debate: Housing and Local Government (Scotland), Poverty, deprivation and development in working class communities, Photo of Benburb F.C. Impressed by what they had done, the European Community allowed an application for major funds, which matched by the City Council (and oth adherents), to such an extent that another 36 blocks in the estate were rehabililitated in the same fashion as the prototype.8, At this point, some may ask, if the residents of such a community could do so mutch themselves, why is authority necessary for community planning? Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company was renamed Govan Shipbuilders in 1973. Anyone remember Quinn's pet shop in Harmony Row? But then officers were based in a more forbidding Victorian building about a mile away in Orkney Street. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. The first was an experimental improvement programme, which had the initiatives: the partial modernisation of the houses, the re-planning of the external environment, and the construction of a Tenants Hall. Marconi Electronic Systems and its Marconi Marine unit were sold to British Aerospace in 1999 to form BAE Systems. From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. There was no point in carrying out any raids because the dealers could quickly escape and dispose of their drugs. In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. Does anyone remember Cuthbertson's dairies milk depot Vicarfield street Govan. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. You can make a complaint by using the report this post link . he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 Svisiace strnky. Sources Vytvori nov et. 102m Harley's ice cream parlour . Datum OSGB36 - NGR. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. Very fond memories. My Aunt Marg and Cousin Debbie still live in Govan. As the rate of urbanisation has increased in the last 30 years, the government capacity to support the disadvantaged within this sphere has in many cases failed. [3][4], A majority of the new residents were from the Gorbals, instead of the Govan area, which had pressing issues with overcrowding and poor quality tenements. He said be a good girl, I don't want to see you when you're 17 causing problems. Now home to a business park, the Wineywas a working class scheme designed by urban planners with little to no regard for those cut from the labouring class cloth. Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' . It was the policy that those with low incomes, few housing points or nowhere else to go, could only expect the least attractive housing. I was born at 17 Holmfaulhead Drive, Linthouse in 1947 and went to Elderpark School. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can JAMES D. YOUNG Culture and Socialism: Working-Class Glasgow, 1778-1978, The future of Technics and Civilisation Lewis Mumford, The intellectual life of the British Working Classes. I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. Was never out your streets up the fighting lol Peg & the Fleet pussies,Possil Border kicked your assesmany times. SC 020951 sau. NGR NS 55416 65081. One hypothesis is that it was a prehistoric burial mound. The Burnside gang were found with 150,000 in heroin and a large sum in cash. However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. Sergeant Angus McIvor and constable Bob McDonald were the two cops who had bravely filmed the gang operating from one of the empty flats. From 1815 onwards, a total of 67 men and four women were hanged at the Glasgow Green site, which was once known as Jail Square. What Damer said about community could also be said about officialdom for they too can be victims of circumstance whenever decisions for the better do not influence policies for the worse. Govan is served by Govan Subway Station, Ibrox Subway Station and Cessnock Subway Station on the Glasgow subway system. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. I went undercover on the 'Wine Alley' to tackle drug problem Ex-undercover police officer Simon McLean has written about his experience tackling Glasgow's drug problem during the 80s. Komunitn organizcia. Community service. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. It was later in 1974 that she began her Stairhead Seminars in the so-called "Wine Alley" area of Govan which led, in 1976, to the Govan Project. British Aerospace, established by the same act, was privatised in 1981. Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. My earliest memory is when I was about 4 playing outside our close 39 Nethan St, my mum had got me all dressed up as the photographer was coming to take our photo , me and my 2 sisters sitting on the sideboard I wandered out the house with my new truck with wee soldiers in the back and was playing in a puddle when the photographer arrived and had to get all cleaned up again before the photo was taken, I have FTD (dementia) this affects my short term memory but fortunately not my long term memories, I have cousins who still stay around the wine alley. I used to visit your Mum and Dad. Moreover, there will be no demolition or destruction of any part of Govans heritage on the contrary the important Iron Age site of Doomster Hill will be marked with grass, and not encroached upon by the new housing while a special corridor will link it with Govan Old Parish Church, which is one of the earliest Christian sites in Britain. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. I learned then that Govan as I knew it had obviously changed (the three picture houses were gone) but was still a thriving community. (was it Grant's????? I try and tell my grandkids what a fanfastic place it was to grow up, no money but lots of pals and never bored. As for our childhood and growing up in Govan we would never change a thing, there was everything in Govan any child wanted and we never ever suffered from boredom after school, we were outside playing peever, rounders, climbing dykes, swimming at the pool and rolling our Easter eggs down the hill at Bellahouston Park. I was born Jan 6th 1951 and brought up in flat above Co-op in Helen Street at Govan Cross, I Went to Harmony Row and Hills Trust Primary schools before moving to Pollok when I was 10 .I have 4 brothers Dave, Bobby, Shuggie, all born in Govan ..and Alastair born in Pollok. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. Housing Estate (Modern) Site Name Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. On the 21/6/2005 the plans for the future of Govans Central area were publicly revealed showing that housing and concern for unemployment was high on its agenda. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. Lesbian actress Raven-Symone showed off her high top fade and her unique backpack at the Los Angeles Premiere of Fox's 'Empire at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, California. I went to Govan High school and Fairfield Primary school, I worked at MacDonalds biscuit factory then went to Toronto with my husband Dan Slavin, I miss my wee town, it will not be same anymore. Second, two documents from the Social Exclusion Unit (SEU), which focus on the decline of the urban neighbourhood, argue that the decline almost always starts with a lack of work. This article is about the district in Glasgow.