The following individuals will serve as pallbearers: Jay Bice, Kevin Derousselle, John Emerson, Ellis Hassien, Tony Mancuso, Rob Parrish, Poncho Seaford, and Matt Vezinot. I hope the the NTSB will be able to determine a cause other than undetermined loss of control. You have permission to edit this article. The Boeing 737, which had flown from Dubai, skidded off the runway . They introduced their family to the joys of diving. Sorting out the problem and making a timely decision to get on the trim control would certainly be a challenge in that scenario. He was an FAA licensed Airline Transport Pilot with airplane, jet and helicopter ratings. Smoke in the cockpit that turned into a wiring fire behind the panel is a possibility not yet mentioned that might fit the circumstances. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. Wind Advisory in effect for the entire WBRZ Thursday PM Forecast: overnight showers, storms and gusty wind. The airplane wing never stalled but remained at a high angle of attack just above stall. Winds will ease into the evening. Sept. 14, 2014 10:37 PM PT. The plane, an Aerofab Lake LA-4-250, hit trees and terrain shortly after takeoff around 8:48 p.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 8, the report said. Clearly this was a high energy impact with nose pointed at the ground. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed Tuesday night when the small plane they were in crashed in Cameron Parish. MOON TOWNSHIP, Pa. Greater Pittsburgh Airport was still considered new when the regularly scheduled TWA Flight 400 crashed on Easter Sunday in 1956. Two witnesses were in close proximity to the accident site, but different locations, stated that they observed the airplane in a rapid descent with the nose pointed at the ground. Was the missing blade buried with the wreckage and not found.. or did the blade fail at 4500 feet and get thrown before the dive? HACKBERRY, La. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Cameron Parish Sheriff Don Johnson said Tuesday evening. Don Clement's will be having a visitation from 12 p.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday . Another partial owner of the plane told investigators that the pilot had just bought a share of the aircraft and was accumulating flight hours to get rated for complex and high-performance planes, according to the report. AD is for problems that showed up on the tail draggers.Models 182 through 182D airplanes have the same tailcone design as Model 185-series tail draggers. NEW ORLEANS The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National Transportation Safety Board reported Thursday. Plane nosedived 15 feet into the ground, according to NTSB report on Hackberry plane crash. Don was the epitome of what a student should be. Certified flight instructors who own Plane Simple Flight School learned from Palermo. Makes no sense to claim "non-existent investigation" when the preliminary report describes verification of control continuity by examination for tensile overload separations and a determination of as-found fuel selector position. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. In the N3RB accident, the tuber wrongly asserted that the pilot murdered a co-pilot.Unfortunately, those enthusiastic followers who ignore the tuber's established pattern of false claims and obvious click baiting don't care about defined NTSB/FAA roles or delegation.The biggest tell of the whole charade is exploitation of the accident victim's loved ones. The bodies were identified as Rock Palermo and Richard Don Clements, Mancuso said in a news conference. BATON ROUGE - The Tigers win the Podium Challenge in the River Center with a score of 197.700. At impact, the remaining two blades cause the crankshaft to shear aft of the propeller flange. A Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas are to investigate the crash, KPLC-TV reported. The fuel selector valve was found positioned to feed from both fuel tanks. NORTH PLATTE, Neb. whatever you told him to study, he studied it. Don was honored in 2015 as a Duke by the Krewe of Mystique for the many contributions he made to the community. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. The plane would stall and fall without any elevator input at all. The weekend will start with temperatures 20 degrees lower than Friday morning! ------------------------------------------------------------Stay in touch with us anytime, anywhere. Visitation will be at the church from 12:00-3:00 pm. That noted, my betting-bux is on 'something else' being 'the root cause' behind this puzzling crash. Would not expect a mayday transmission during a rapidly developing problem.Simplest accident viewpoint is that the elevator stayed streamlined behind the horizontal stabilizer during the dive. The last of ADS-B data from Flight Aware only shows the start of the incident. This seems mechanical or structural based on the flight path which, hopefully, NTSB will clear up if so. Plane was owned by an aviation company in Sulfur. HACKBERRY, La. He stated that the private pilot completed the flight maneuvers well and he did not notice anything of concern. Palermo was a local attorney at Veron, Bice, Palermo & Wilson and was a pilot with the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Office. 1 LSU's big win over Butler. Calcasieu Sheriff Tony Mancuso got emotional while speaking Wednesday morning at a news conference. I missed the nose down attitude observed by witnesses. 4 LSU women's basketball Watch the 2 Your Health report for Friday, March 3, 2023. Palermo was an attorney for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Office, they said. (KPLC) -The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the deadly crash that claimed the life of two well known citizens in our area. The Tigers beat out No. His half scale model Spacewalker needs to weigh 400 lbs in order to replicate prop disc effects faithfully. Like I said, I am a human being. Correct! It gave a number of details about the circumstances of the flight but did not indicate what caused the crash. A celebration of Dons life will be held on Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 3:00 PM at First United Methodist Church located at 812 Kirkman Street, Lake Charles, LA 70601. It would be much easier to do if you are solo. A Navy fighter pilot presumed dead after two jets crashed Friday over the Pacific Ocean was identified Sunday as Lt. Nathan Poloski of Lake Arrowhead . Baton Rouge man arrested in Ascension horse theft; one adult, two minors Southern University AgCenter's Livestock Show celebrates its 80th anniversary, St. John's big inning hands Southeastern second straight loss, Coach Kim Mulkey talks LSU's record-tying season. When in that position in that maneuver, you need to push forward and complete the roll, but when inverted, everything is upside down and backwards, so the natural tendency or the instinct for anybody who has not gotten instruction in that maneuver is to pull back hard which points the plane straight at the ground, ground speed drops towards zero as the vertical speed and airspeed goes off the dials, the rotational inertia of the roll causes the plane to continue to roll as it heads down, and you pull out (or impact) going towards a right angle to the right of the original path if you were attempting to roll to the left. I am glad he is calling out the NTSB! The airplane departed from Southland Field Airport (UXL), Sulphur, Louisiana, about 1326 and terminated about 1436. The weekend Friday AM Forecast: Wind Advisory this morning, clear and sunny this afternoon. Youll never convince me other than it was a catastrophic failure of the aircraft because Rock knew exactly what to do, said Thompson. lol) to give me the answer. Hes just one of those people you cant replace.. Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry on Tuesday, Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso announced Wednesday. But it is accidents like this that really perplex me and keep me up at night. Anyone who cared about the families and somehow detected the blade, would not rest until investigators obtained the blade. Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash and will turn over the investigation to Federal Aviation Administration investigators from Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. They consider him a mentor and the best pilot they knew. When Don wasnt involved in hunting, fishing, and music, he was at home in his beautiful rose garden and vegetable garden, which he nurtured in order to bring fresh roses and vegetables on a regular basis to his beloved wife, Nancy. Forward CG would make the scenario begin as you describe, but airspeed increase in a dive from 4500 restores elevator authority with plenty of altitude remaining. The flight was operated as a Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 instructional flight. An avid SCUBA diver and instructor, Rock first met Kim while teaching her SCUBA diving class. "Two witnesses observed the airplane in a rapid descent with the nose pointed at the ground. woman accused of using aunts debit card for 136 DoorDash orders held on preset $18 million bond, Juvenile injured after homemade pipe bomb detonated, police say. Don't count on him providing a true photo of that blade, dug out of the sand bar.The grieving families will suffer his "leaving it" as cruelty. All rights reserved. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. Controls were likely held full aft all the way to impact. To day & Tonight : The Temperatures across the Friday PM Forecast: starting weekend cooler then trending warmer. Ive known Dan a few years although I havent talked to him in awhile but if he said he found it then Id say he found it. "Tue 06:41:31 PM 29.9490 -93.3408 351 110 127 4,225 367 Climbing Tue 06:41:50 PM 29.9582 -93.3425 352 116 133 4,275 Level Tue 06:42:06 PM 29.9667 -93.3437 356 115 132 4,225 47 Climbing Tue 06:42:22 PM 29.9747 -93.3442 359 95 109 4,300 214 Climbing Tue 06:42:41 PM 29.9824 -93.3438 9 82 94 4,350 36 Climbing Tue 06:43:04 PM 29.9898 -93.3416 20 66 76 4,325 -205 Descending Tue 06:43:25 PM Tue 06:43:25 PM 29.9947 -93.3391 29 56 64 4,200 -357 Descending. It's their job to travel to accident sites to determine the cause. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. LSU pitcher Paul Skenes LSU women's basketball beats Georgia 83-66 in SEC Tournament matchup. Wind Advisory in effect for the entire WBRZ BATON ROUGE - The Tigers win the Podium Challenge in the River Center with a score of 197.700. The airplane had high sink rate with a relatively flat attitude (nose close to the horizon). The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. They were aboard a 1979 Cessna 182Q, of which Clements had recently become part owner of. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Copyright 2021 KPLC. ADS-B data 4,325 feet @ Latitude, Longitude: 29.9898 -93.3416Wreckage and Impact Information @Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est)A straight line from Latitude, Longitude: 29.9898 -93.3416 to 30.009412,-93.330048 (est) is calculated @ 1.28 miles , 2.07 kilometers (km) , 6785 feet , 2068 meters. Yes indeed! When the last jumper goes out or you're doing a hammerhead stall in a glider and the aircraft is simply falling out of the sky, pointed straight down at the ground, you get comfortable waiting for the wing to start flying before easing back on the elevator. Palermo was flying a Cessna 182 like one he owned, still parked at a local hangar. Another partial owner of the plane told investigators that the pilot had just bought a share of the aircraft and was accumulating flight hours to get rated for complex and high-performance planes, according to the report. During training, broker was in the back seat with the two in the front. "I'm sorry. The plane then submerged, he told. The descent then increased rapidly. BATON ROUGE, La. High speed nose down impact. Is it possible that there was carbon monoxide asphyxiation putting both pilots to sleep? The report did not identify any witnesses by name. Throwing a blade as they throttled back up would do it. The airplane impacted soft ground on an island about 1.5 nautical miles northeast of Hackberry. You keep flying the airplane. Copyright 2021 KPLC. Two bodies were removed from the plane that crashed Tuesday evening on a small island near Hackberry, Cameron Parish Sheriff Ron Johnson told news agencies. All rights reserved. Rock was a respected attorney and member of the Louisiana Bar. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. He was preceded in death by his father, Richard Don Clements, Sr. but is survived by his mother, Carolyn Joy Templeton Clements and his brother, Kirk Alan Clements, both of whom reside in Denton, Texas. Don Clements will be having a visitation from 12 p.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday, February 6, and funeral at 3 p.m. Click here to see Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso and District Attorney Stephen Dwight speak about what it was like to know Rock Palermo. He is survived by his wife, Nancy, and their children, Mary Kathryn and Will. Records show that the days first flight ended about 2:36 p.m. The autopsies of the victims reported the cause of death for both was multiple injuries sustained from the crash. One of his proudest moments was in 2016 when he presented his daughter, Mary Kathryn as the Princess Music of Lincoln Center. Kerbow was an instructor for Clements, who was a newly licensed pilot. Nose down attitude would be even more likely that the pilots were fixated on full aft elevator. Both Thompson and Alex Kerbow were trained by Palermo to be commercial pilots and flight instructors. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in a plane crash near Hackberry, on Tuesday, Feb. 2, 2021. Philip Clements, a 62-year-old Chester Township man, was killed in the crash and was the lone passenger on the plane. Im not saying thats what happened, just a theory and my original gut feeling of what might have happened, but it is a theory that seems consistent with the facts. The Global Asset Management Group family is saddened by the loss of our dearest friend and colleague, Don Clements. Two bodies were recovered from the wreckage. Leaving the blade there and risking it getting picked up by the next random visitor to the wreck site would be a disservice to solving the mystery. HACKBERRY, La. Beefier police presence planned at football game after BRPD chief got into scuffle while making arrest near campus. The sales broker for the plane told investigators that on the day of the crash, the pilot reported completing a one-hour flight to meet insurance policy requirements. "HACKBERRY, La. Mancuso apologized for his demeanor and outburst of emotion during the conference. A debris field that consisted of the wings and smaller airplane components extended about 40 yards from the crater. In what way am I misinterpreting my observations?BTW, I'm a low-time private pilot who owned a C172 in the late'90s, and I've also logged about forty hours in a C182. 6. Hes just one of those people you cant replace.. While at LSU Law School he was selected to the Moot Court Board. The Cessna 182 was destroyed when it crashed straight down onto an island northeast of Hackberry in Cameron Parish and sank 15 feet (4.6 meters) down into the soft soil, the NTSB preliminary. Copyright 2022 KPLC. Many parts and pieces were left behind at the crash site, including the third blade!! On Sept. 10, the plane, a Aerofab Lake LA-4-250, N1401P was found near the . I try to plot out the ADSB data listed above in my head, and that seems to be how they crashed. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Pallbearers are Todd Ammons, Kirk Clements, Bob Harp, Joseph Pousson, Kevin Robbins, and Henry Riquelmy. Smoke billows after a small touring plane crashed over the San Donato Milanese district in Milan. It would be interesting to see the state of the elevator trim. well the only thing to attempt if it disconnected is nose up elevator trim, if that is working, but if you are pointed straight down, that might not have enough time to work. Accused murderer cleared by Baton Rouge jury after representing himself in court, released from jail, School accused of ignoring sexual misconduct of student later arrested in high-profile rape case. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Johnsons said. Dockets reflect additional in-depth efforts made between initial examination and completion of the investigations.The nonsensical "flat disc effect" story is on par with the critic's untrue claim about finding the missing blade from this 182 or the untrue claim that the pilot of N3RB murdered a co-pilot. The report said two of the propellers three blades were on the hub at the nose of the plane, but the third was not found. Then the day of the accident, Clements completed a one-hour flight around 2:30 p.m. in the plane as an insurance policy requirement without any complications. 1 LSU's big win over Butler. The National Transportation Safety Board tweeted Wednesday that it was investigating the crash but would not travel to the site. An uncontrollable dive in an otherwise intact 182 certainly brings the elevator performance into the picture.Thanks for including the link to the FAA's "Dirty Dozen" of human-factor issues related to maintenance practices - good reading for 182 owners. yeah these are the crashes that really bother me --the unknown cause ones .That's when I consider --should I really be flying planes ? In the hours after Nepal's deadliest plane crash for 30 years, a video went viral in India - it showed one of the victims, Sonu Jaiswal, livestreaming from the plane just seconds before the crash. Richard Don Clements, 55, a well-respected financial planner and talented musician, died on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 in an aviation accident. Kilimanjaro. It won't be there when someone does go back to fetch it. CNN Five people who worked for an environmental response consulting firm were killed in a plane crash Wednesday in Little Rock, Arkansas, while on their way to a metal factory explosion site. Dive overspeed certainly could toss the blade. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Flight instructor, student pilot identified as victims in fatal plane crash near Hackberry. Then there is the possibility of an elevator control malfunction, causing a nose down attitude. By Lauren Raab. Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso spoke at a press conference on Wednesday morning. Airspeed remained just above wing stall all the way to the ground. The impact crater is 15 feet deep and wings were crushed aft to the rear wing spar.Can't crush wings rearward like that or crater that deep coming in level. Rock was a member of LSU Law Center Board of Trustees, American Board of Trial Advocates and the Louisiana Association for Justice. Control malfunction? Palermo and Clements were killed when their Cessna. HACKBERRY, La. 2 engine failed after takeoff. The plane crashed near an industrial area a few miles to the south of the Little Rock airport. 7 California, No. Paul Skenes fans a career high 13 in No. if I need to take the controls, I will take the controls, said Kerbow. Don was a member of the Krewe of Contraband. There are no survivors. (KPLC) . They both observed the bottom of the airplane and did not notice any rotational movement. A high-speed, vertical power dive could overspeed the prop, possibly causing something to let go. Joseph Rock Palermo, III, 55, passed away on February 2, 2021. No dive. Investigating accidents and making cogent, helpful recommendations is the NTSB's job. Tonight & Tomorrow: Beneath clear skies, thermometers Friday AM Forecast: Wind Advisory this morning, clear and sunny this afternoon. He was in the back seat of the airplane the day before when the two accidents pilots were conducting a training flight. Rock touched many, many people and this is about as tough a loss as you can get for this office and this community, Mancuso said. Louisiana authorities had identified the pilot earlier as Richard Don Clements and his instructor as Rock Palermo. If you do it wrong, when you come over the top and are inverted, if you let the nose fall towards the ground in a plane like that you can loose three or four thousand feet really fast and can easily exceed redline. Extremely unlikely that one pilot would decide to kill himself with another pilot in the plane. His love for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Department enabled him to serve his community as Captain of the Aviation Unit.Rock graduated from LSU Law School in 1992 and from LSU with a bachelors degree in 1987. The last 12 seconds of recorded data show the plane made a right turn and descended 3,200 feet leading up to the accident. No obvious reason so far for not pulling out from the dive. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182. He could not have been prouder of his children. Would like to ask for a line of discussion about the lack of a mayday call, which hasn't been previously discussed in this thread. Date & Time: February 2, 2021, 17:44 Local, Flight Conducted Under: Part 91: General aviation - Instructional. An obituary for Rock Palermo can be found HERE. I just watched Dan Gryder's part III video. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. BATON ROUGE - A man arrested for running Saturday AM Forecast: Today's weather will be near perfect. Little did they know but nine (9) years later, in 2002, Nancy, Don and their two children, Will and Mary Kathryn would become devoted members of First United Methodist Church in Lake Charles. Think about the circumstances that would fit with acceptance of not finding the missing blade.Examination of the recovered prop hub must have clearly indicated that the blade was thrown during flight, not broken out during impact. An obituary for Rock Palermo can be found HERE. The 737-800 is a twin-engine, single-aisle plane commonly used for short and medium-haul flights. Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:57 am to Lithium. In lieu of flowers, donation can be made to the music mission at First United Methodist Church in Lake Charles or to a charity of your choice. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Johnsons said. They took off, flew out somewhere to do a bunch of maneuvers, were flying back some distance, got close to home, decided to try a slow roll, smurfed it, augered it straight into the mud. The airplane reached about 4,500 ft above ground level (agl), as the airspeed decreased. There was a small plane crash near Hackberry, LA on Tuesday, February 2, 2021. Email notifications are only sent once a day, and only if there are new matching items. The passenger plane with 190 people on board crashed at the Calicut airport in the southern state of Kerala, killing 21 people. Hes the guy who trains everybody to do what we do. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Based solely on the description of the situation, sounds to me like they decided to try to do a slow roll and screwed it up. Two witnesses told investigators that the plane plunged nose-down, without any rotation. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry on Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash, but are turning over the investigation to a Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. You can be sure that he did NOT find the blade, because he says he left it there. No responsible person aware of the circumstances would leave it.Ask yourself: Why leave it there? Authorities are investigating after a jet from Luke Air Force Base crashed near Buckeye north of the White Tank Mountains on Thursday morning, according to Sean Clements, a . They were aboard a 1979 Cessna 182Q, of which Clements had recently become part owner of. HACKBERRY, La. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. He kept me composed. I have been thinking the same, it's the only thing that makes any sense. On January 30, 1993, Don married the love of his life, Nancy Edith Shaddock Clements, at the First United Methodist Church in Lake Charles, LA. Shortly after stopping at Felts Field to refuel, his Piper Malibu Mirage crashed north of East Sprague. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Don is survived by his wife, Nancy Edith Shaddock Clements, and their two children, Mary Kathryn Clements and William Don Clements. More controversy for clicks and useful in the relentless vendetta against NTSB. But all the groundspeed points at the end are low. Observation Facility, Elevation: KLCH,9 ft msl, Distance from Accident Site: 9 Nautical Miles, Wind Speed/Gusts, Direction: 4 knots / , 200, Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est). I'm left wondering what lessons can I take away from this one to keep it from happening to me when I fly? Later 182's do not.https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/11/02/2020-24046/airworthiness-directives-textron-aviation-inc-airplanes. If that happened, NTSB examination of the connection points in the elevator controls for lost fasteners will find one. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. He and the department announced the death of Rock Palermo who was employed by the sheriff's office. Rocks the best pilot I ever met, said Thompson. He should be smart enough to simply ask someone else to report the find to the FSDO if his ongoing vendetta complicates doing so on his own. Hackberry, LA (KPLC) - The National Transportation Safety Board has released the report on its investigation of a deadly plane crash in Hackberry. Thrown blade and resulting immediate out of balance could have ripped an engine mount, canted the engine in some way creating horrendous aerodynamics and an unrecoverable dive? On Feb. 2, 2021, an aircraft went down, killing both men on board, Rock Palermo and Don Clements. On Wednesday, Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancusos voice broke as he told reporters that one victim, Rock Palermo, was the departments pilot, attorney and friend. Flight control cable continuity was established for all flight control surfaces through tensile overload separations in several locations. Copyright 2021 KPLC. or a practice incipient spin, that got the spin stopped , but the nose did not come up, due to forward c of g? Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in the crash, Johnson said. Don graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Accounting from Louisiana Tech University. A man who was the pilot and attorney for a southwest Louisiana sheriffs office and a second person were killed when their small plane crashed in a neighboring parish, apparently during a flying lesson. That person told investigators he was in the back seat during a training flight on Feb. 1, and the man had done well on flight maneuvers. At least 68 people were killed Sunday when an aircraft went down near the city of Pokhara in central Nepal, a government official said, the country's deadliest plane crash in more than 30 years. Googled the N number to find the NTSB report and ended up here, Ive never seen this site before, Ive never commented here, So I appologise if my comment is not welcome. It gave a number of details about the circumstances of the flight but did not indicate what caused the crash. That person told investigators he was in the back seat during a training flight on Feb. 1, and the man had done well on flight maneuvers. Either the pilots made no control input to the elevator or it was mechanically disconnected or impeded.There is a remote possibility that a thru-bolt vibrated out of a connection near the yoke and forward elevator bellcrank, having spun off it's castellated nut due to a omitted cotter pin.What source of vibration could suddenly finish shaking loose an unsecured control connection as they recovered from a practice stall? It seems like something major must have gone wrong here. AGENCY:Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), DOT.ACTION:Notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM).SUMMARY:The FAA proposes to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for all Textron Aviation Inc. (Textron) Models 180, 180A, 180B, 180C, 180D, 180E, 180F, 180G, 180H, 180J, 180K, 182, 182A, 182B, 182C, 182D, 185, 185A, 185B, 185C, 185D, 185E, A185E, and A185F airplanes. quote: Was a 1979 Cessna 182 N4765N. 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